[cra_training_zy]

You probably get asked this a lot but here it goes.

In the bodybuilding world what's the current stance on low carb, high fat diets, and a more sporadic eating frequency? (Say two to three meals a day)

I've seen naturals make significantly better progress on a higher fat, lower carb diet. It's easier to keep lean, and I personally find I'm stronger, and have noticed no negative effect on my muscle glycogen. And I'm not alone.

Are you guys discussing 'alternative dieting' or do you tend to lean towards the traditional bodybuilding diet? I ask because the close minded, knuckle dragging zombies at my gym dismiss anything that isn't in a magazine, or on the back of a supplement bottle. And it gets frustrating.

I talk mainly with people who are doctors, or in alternative medicine about nutrition these days, as I've heard it all before from the bodybuilders mouth, but I believe your different, and are open to different theory's.

Did you check this link when I first posted it? http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

As a bodybuilder, would you be happy on a diet like that? ^^

Mac read this http://community.myprotein.com/diet-...u-fat-ill.html a while ago, and he wasn't too convinced.But it would be nice to hear your thoughts. Be warned though it's a mahosive thread! I wouldn't blame you for not reading it.

I'm not trying to convert you to anything Hahaha!! More interested in hearing your opinions on it as a bodybuilder. And the question of, could a bodybuilder be successful rebelling against the norm, with these kinds of diets?

[emekajokammor]

Hey bud!

Many many bodybuilders never reach their potential because they are scared to step out of the box. That goes for natural and enhanced athletes both. The traditional bodybuilder would not be a successful bodybuilder in todays era.

Personally, I've learned to follow what my body is telling me. My current offseason diet is laughable to most bodybuilders but it is what works for me. Low carbs, high protein, high fiber. And the word "high" is relative. lol.

Would this diet work for a bodybuilder? It depends on that bodybuilder and his/her goals. I would be perfectly fine on that diet seeing that I do all but eat 2-3 times a day. I'm eating 5-6.

The typical high everything bodybuilder diet, imo, is out and these types of diets have proven to work more effectively and safely than the typical bber diet.

[cra_training_zy]

Ah! Mek, you are as wise as Solomon. You get extra points if you don't throw your egg yolks away. (It really hacks me off when people do that!)

Seriously though it's exciting and reassuring to know that a bodybuilder such as yourself takes care researching their nutrition. Not only that, researching nutrition to suit them.Too many settle for the chicken and brown rice philosophy, and it's just not optimal.

I also think there's an element of blindness, forinstence, they say you can't bulk and cut at the same time. Why not? Who's to say, if you don't find the foods that work for you, in the correct circumstances, in a hormonally ideal environment, with the correct training protocol and keeping stress at a minimum, that you couldn't lose fat while building muscle? Anyway, I'm driving off topic...

Nice to meet a bodybuilder who's open to innovation. Some of the guys are so scared of turning catobolic their practically taking a taxi to the gym. And guys so scared of dietary fat, their rinsing there beef mince in water before cooking it.

Madness!!

[RoaringMad Mac]

Originally Posted by emekajokammor

Hey bud!

Many many bodybuilders never reach their potential because they are scared to step out of the box. That goes for natural and enhanced athletes both. The traditional bodybuilder would not be a successful bodybuilder in todays era.

Personally, I've learned to follow what my body is telling me. My current offseason diet is laughable to most bodybuilders but it is what works for me. Low carbs, high protein, high fiber. And the word "high" is relative. lol.

Would this diet work for a bodybuilder? It depends on that bodybuilder and his/her goals. I would be perfectly fine on that diet seeing that I do all but eat 2-3 times a day. I'm eating 5-6.

The typical high everything bodybuilder diet, imo, is out and these types of diets have proven to work more effectively and safely than the typical bber diet.

[bb12]

Stepping out of your comfort zone ...that's were goals and dreams become a reality

[emekajokammor]

Originally Posted by cra_training_zy

Ah! Mek, you are as wise as Solomon. You get extra points if you don't throw your egg yolks away. (It really hacks me off when people do that!)

Seriously though it's exciting and reassuring to know that a bodybuilder such as yourself takes care researching their nutrition. Not only that, researching nutrition to suit them.Too many settle for the chicken and brown rice philosophy, and it's just not optimal.

I also think there's an element of blindness, forinstence, they say you can't bulk and cut at the same time. Why not? Who's to say, if you don't find the foods that work for you, in the correct circumstances, in a hormonally ideal environment, with the correct training protocol and keeping stress at a minimum, that you couldn't lose fat while building muscle? Anyway, I'm driving off topic...

Nice to meet a bodybuilder who's open to innovation. Some of the guys are so scared of turning catobolic their practically taking a taxi to the gym. And guys so scared of dietary fat, their rinsing there beef mince in water before cooking it.

Madness!!

Haha! I used to believe the same until I witnessed my body go through a recomposition. Was able to build some muscle and loose fat and I have the pics to prove. lol. By the end of my recompositioning my body weights were about the same but my body looked totally different.

I find that many people believe that technology should advance from month to month and year to year but health and fitness should stay the same. Weird

[cra_training_zy]

I'm completely reformed myself. Things I talk about these days, are like a biology lesson. I tend to get my news from pubmed these days. Going really deep, looking into carbs effects on changing gene expression, effects of nootropics like thiamine, pantoic acid, racetams etc.

I've actually come so far away from the 'bodybuilding' mentality that I've totally forgotten about it. Even my training now, is mainly squats and deadlifts. Bench if I'm feeling lucky. What amazes me is that I somehow look better by just doing the basics. Haven't done a bicep curl, or a dumbbell fly in months now. Pull ups and dips are as about as close to isolations as I get. All my workouts are full body and really, really basic. I do more gymnastic type stuff on the off days too.

Maybe I'm really old fashioned, or in fact very 2013? Either way, I like that more and more people are starting to wake up, and tune into themselves a bit more. I don't like the cookie cutter mentality.

[c0yled0tc0m]

I know this post is kinda old, but I was reading it and it got me thinking. How do you really know what works for you? I myself have been struggling with my diet alot these past few months, and alot of the stuff I've learned here has helped. I think I may have it tuned in somewhat but who could tell.

I had lost alot of weight throwing egg yolks away and things of that nature...but I had no muscle mass, and still kinda had that little pot belly pooch type thing going on. Now I'm staying steady in the 175-180 range but I'm getting some gains for the most part. How do I figure out what works for me? Where I'm getting my best from, because I love food. I would prefer to get most of what I need from that. The rest I can work out later

[c0yled0tc0m]

I know this post is kinda old, but I was reading it and it got me thinking. How do you really know what works for you? I myself have been struggling with my diet alot these past few months, and alot of the stuff I've learned here has helped. I think I may have it tuned in somewhat but who could tell.

I had lost alot of weight throwing egg yolks away and things of that nature...but I had no muscle mass, and still kinda had that little pot belly pooch type thing going on. Now I'm staying steady in the 175-180 range but I'm getting some gains for the most part. How do I figure out what works for me? Where I'm getting my best from, because I love food. I would prefer to get most of what I need from that. The rest I can work out later

[cra_training_zy]

You'll know when something works for you; it take lot's of trial and error, but eventually, something will just feel right.

When I switched to a low carb/high fat ketosis diet, it was as if a switch was flicked on in my head. All of a sudden, all the lights came on and It was literally like being plugged into the universe.

Once I became fat adapted and began using fat for fuel instead of carbs, I noticed all of my strength returned, my muscle glycogen was regulated once again and I found I needed less sleep.

It was then that I realised; "Hey! This works for me!" Funnily enough though, it was only in the last year or so, after several years of trying things out.

I won't try and coax you in, but keep in mind; protein builds muscle, carbs don't and fat is a far, far, far! Superior energy source.

In the last three days, I've had fifteen hours sleep and have walked nearly fifty miles, waking up at five in the morning, farming all day and getting back at seven in the evening; sleeping 4-6 hours and doing it all again.

And I have absolutely no urge whatsoever to fall asleep and I'm not getting tired at all. I'm like a Duracell battery! I just keep going! It's like having super powers.


That's also when you know something is working for you.

[c0yled0tc0m]

Well then, I might just be on the right path. I feel the exact same way! My body is probably just moving slower at showing me. Looks wise I mean

[RoaringMad Mac]

Originally Posted by cra_training_zy

You'll know when something works for you; it take lot's of trial and error, but eventually, something will just feel right.

When I switched to a low carb/high fat ketosis diet, it was as if a switch was flicked on in my head. All of a sudden, all the lights came on and It was literally like being plugged into the universe.

Once I became fat adapted and began using fat for fuel instead of carbs, I noticed all of my strength returned, my muscle glycogen was regulated once again and I found I needed less sleep.

It was then that I realised; "Hey! This works for me!" Funnily enough though, it was only in the last year or so, after several years of trying things out.

I won't try and coax you in, but keep in mind; protein builds muscle, carbs don't and fat is a far, far, far! Superior energy source.

In the last three days, I've had fifteen hours sleep and have walked nearly fifty miles, waking up at five in the morning, farming all day and getting back at seven in the evening; sleeping 4-6 hours and doing it all again.

And I have absolutely no urge whatsoever to fall asleep and I'm not getting tired at all. I'm like a Duracell battery! I just keep going! It's like having super powers.


That's also when you know something is working for you.

One point here. Carbs do help build muscle. they do have a synergistic effect on muscle protein synthesis when combined with dietary protein post-workout.

This is why carbs are such a building block in building muscle.

[cra_training_zy]

Originally Posted by RoaringMad Mac

One point here. Carbs do help build muscle. they do have a synergistic effect on muscle protein synthesis when combined with dietary protein post-workout.

This is why carbs are such a building block in building muscle.

Agreed they do help. But you could build without them and this has been proven. You build Optimally With them; but optimally is usually a redundant term with an average gym goer such as myself.

Carbs have their place, that's for sure. But I believe they have to be consumed responsibly and at appropriate times; not just willy nilly.

Carb nite (as you well know) is an excellent protocol for this...

[emekajokammor]

Originally Posted by c0yled0tc0m

I know this post is kinda old, but I was reading it and it got me thinking. How do you really know what works for you? I myself have been struggling with my diet alot these past few months, and alot of the stuff I've learned here has helped. I think I may have it tuned in somewhat but who could tell.

I had lost alot of weight throwing egg yolks away and things of that nature...but I had no muscle mass, and still kinda had that little pot belly pooch type thing going on. Now I'm staying steady in the 175-180 range but I'm getting some gains for the most part. How do I figure out what works for me? Where I'm getting my best from, because I love food. I would prefer to get most of what I need from that. The rest I can work out later

Well there are a few methods that I use to gauge whats going on and if what I am doing is working.

1. Scale - Very very tricky. Still a great way to determine if you are losing or gaining weight

2. Calipers - My coach hits me with the calipers every Sunday to gauge fat, muscle, and water

3. Workouts - If you are getting stronger, meaning more weight or more reps then that's usually an indicator that you are maintaining or increasing muscle. If you are getting weaker, then you may be losing muscle. I keep my workouts very similar from week to week for this very reason.

4. Mirror - Very Very tricky as well. But taking a few moments to study your body each week will help you notice any changes that may be going on

5. Honest friend - Sometimes you can't notice the changes happening with your body because of various reason, so its good to have someone else take a look at your body from time to time and tell you honestly if there are noticeable changes.

[c0yled0tc0m]

Thanks for chiming in on that post Mek. It helped alot...

[emekajokammor]

Originally Posted by c0yled0tc0m

Thanks for chiming in on that post Mek. It helped alot...

Yeah BUDDY!

[RoaringMad Mac]

Number 5 is probably one of the best. If you can't have a friend to tell you the truth then you don't need that person telling you anything.