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Default Pre-Workouts 101 - 09-22-2011, 08:41 PM

Hey guys! Jeremy here with the next installment of the “101” series where I break down practically an entire category in the supplement industry! Whats this post about you ask? Well....”Nitric Oxideology”. Thats right! Pre-Workouts, N.O., Stimulants, you name it! Now that you're on the edge of your seat......Let's do this!

Pre-Workouts 101

First, we'll split this article into 5 sections.
1. Stimulants
2. “Nitric Oxide”
3. Other pre-Workout Ingredients
4. My personal recommendations
5. FAQ


Ahh yes! We've all seen this before... You're on your way to the gym, you just ate your pre-workout meal, you're well hydrated, but for some reason you just don't “feel” like lifting. Its not an issue anymore thanks to arguably the second biggest powerhouse category in supplementation today. So, you guys are probably thinking..”#@$! This stuff is awesome! I wonder how it works!” Well, that's why I'm writing this.

Pre-workout supplementation works by using a combo of ingredients to increase focus, energy, pumps, strength, and in some cases euphoria depending on the products ingredient profile. Lets start off on base 1. Stimulants!

Stimulants


Pre-workout supplements use an ingredient category known as “stimulants”. For those of you who are not fond with the industry, here's the definition:

Stim∑u∑lant
n. 1. An agent, especially a chemical agent such as caffeine, that temporarily arouses or accelerates physiological or organic activity.

How do stimulants work?

Caffeine- Adenosine is a naturally occurring neurotransmitter in the brain which controls activity levels. The more abundant adenosine is in the brain, the higher energy the individual may experience. Caffeine works by bonding to adenosine receptors in the brain allowing a much higher volume of free adenosine, which in turn, GREATLY increases energy levels but may result in a crash or sleepiness after its effects wear off.

1,3 Dimethylamylamine (a.k.a. Geranium / Geranamine / Methylhexaneamine / 1,3 DMAA)- 1,3 Dimethylamylamine works by mimicking adrenaline in the body. 1,3 DMAA is known to cause a massive crash in some users and even euphoria compared to that of actual illegal drugs. Its currently being used as the latest “party pill” among teenagers due to its stimulant capabilities. Other side effects may include temporary erectile disfunction known as “stim dick”.

Guarana- A natural source of caffeine popularized in many of today's popular energy drinks. Guarana is believed to work the same as caffeine, with the exception of a slightly longer half life/absorption time.

**Note: The belief of a longer lasting halflife effects from guarana is still not scientifically backed enough for me to confirm its true. **

Shizandrol-A- A focus agent extracted from the ancient chinese herb “shisandra chinensis”. Popularized as an energy booster as well as a strength booster. Limited studies may suggest a characteristic for liver protection as well.

Huperzine-A- A focus agent with similar effects as Shizandrol-A extracted from a plant known as “Huperzia serrata”.

Ephedrine (a.k.a. Ephedra)- Ephedrine is an agent that stimulates the release of norepinephrine, and noradrenaline. Epinephrine is the bodies go-to chemical for blood pressure increase and is released by ephedrine and hordenine. Adrenaline will activate the bodies “fight or flight” mode creating severe strength increases, drastic increases in metabolic rate, thermogenesis, and increased focus. No wonder its the best fat burner around huh?

Dosages

Caffeine: up to 300mg max per dose, don't exceed 600mg per day

1,3 Dimethylamylamine:
up to 80mg per day, can be in a single dose.

Guarana: up to 1g per day, 4 times per day. (4g per day max)

Shizandrol-A: up to 100mg per dose, daily maximum not yet established

Huperzine-A: continuous dosage over 100mcg may cause toxicity in the body, avoid this by lowering the dose or cycling the product.

Ephedrine: 20-30mg per dose for the typical EC/ECA stack. Don't exceed 100mg per day.

Nitric Oxide


Nitric Oxide is a naturally occurring gas produced in body that is only stable for a few seconds. Since you cant purchase N.O., we need to utilize precursors to this remarkable gas to obtain increased levels when lifting. It all started from arginine, but after thorough scientific trials, we now truly know who/what the REAL pump factors are. Let me introduce you.

L-Citrulline- The precursor to arginine that is the real culprit for N.O. production. It was believed that N.O. Production began by an enzyme called arginase breaking down the amino acid “arginine”. However, in order to receive the amount of N.O. we are dosing for, arginine would need to be dosed at 30-50g intravenously. (through a syringe with pharmaceutical grade solution to get the arginine in our bloodstream) Why do we need this you ask? Well, ingesting anything over 10 grams of arginine orally may have a laxative effect and who wants to lift like that? That's why we began testing other amino acids until we found citrulline! Citrulline (for those of you who don't know) is a precursor to arginine, meaning it breaks down in the body to arginine. Therefore, since citrulline can be orally administered and deliver more nitric oxide per gram than arginine can, we have found our latest break through for all you pump junkies out there! Since, citrulline is broken down into arginine when already in the bloodstream, increased N.O. production can take place immediately! Citrulline is often bonded with malic acid to create citrulline malate. Malic acid will raise endurance and energy in the gym and its effects build up over time.

Agmatine- The latest and most powerful N.O. producer to date. This powerhouse arginine metabolite doesn't just rapidly increase blood N.O. levels, it has MANY other uses as well! Agmatine is used for vasodilation, nutrient partitioning, LH and GH release, and even mood enhancement!

Nitrates- One of the true, proven vasodilators on the market. EXCELLENT for increased N.O. levels in the bloodstream and can come in MANY variations from arginine nitrate to even creatine nitrate!

Norvaline- Since arginase breaks down arginine, norvaline works by inhibiting arginase in the first place allowing arginine to survive much longer in the blood stream. This, in turn, allows increased Nitric Oxide levels in the bloodstream and vasodilation.

Dosages:

Citrulline: 2g-6g preworkout

Agmatine: 250mg-1g Preworkout or 500mg twice per day (Training Days: one dose in the morning upon waking, and one dose pre-workout. / Off Days: one dose in the morning upon waking, one dose before bed.)

Nitrates: 3-6g pre-workout

Norvaline: 250mg pre-workout

Misc. Ingredients

These are a couple misc. ingredients that are commonly put into pre workouts yet do not require dosages before lifting.

Beta-Alanine- Beta-Alanine buffers lactic acid by raising intramuscular carnosine levels. This creates a much larger potential for extra repetition and in turn, more potential for muscle growth!

L-Carnitine L-Tartrate (a.k.a. LCLT)- This is the amino acid responsible for delivering energy to the mitochondria of a cell. Increasing this amount will lead to an increased natural energy production, possible thermogenesis, faster metabolic rate, androgen receptivity/sensitivity, and is a powerful anti-oxidant.

Dosages:

Beta-Alanine: 1.6g, twice a day (3.2g per day total)

L-Carnitine L-Tartrate:
1g, 2-4 times a day (2-4g per day total)


My Recommendations


Okay, so here's my opinion of what products are the top supplements for a pre-workout in four different categories.


Focus:
Serious Nutrition Solutions Focus XT
Muscle Pharm Assault
Controlled Labs White Flood V.2

Energy:

Neogenix Cryoshock
Muscle Pharm Assault
VPX N.O. Shotgun

Pumps/Vasodilation:
Iforce Nutrition Hemavol
MAN Sports Body Octane
Gaspari Nutrition Superpump Max

Stimulant Free:

MAN Sports Body Octane / Omega Sports Ultima
Iforce Nutrition Hemavol
VPX Powershock


FAQ

Are Preworkout supplements safe?


YES. Please remain within the recommended serving suggestion to prevent any possible health problems.

Is there an age requirement for pre-workout supplements?

YES. Please follow the age requirement listed on the container. In most cases, this age is 18. (In most cases, pre-workouts can be used by people 16 and older safely if correct dosage is used and the product is thoroughly researched.)

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Default 09-23-2011, 03:39 PM

I've tried more PW's than I care to count, Jack3d is the best yet...too damn bad I build a tolerance for everything lol


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I've tried more PW's than I care to count, Jack3d is the best yet...too damn bad I build a tolerance for everything lol
Have you tried any of top 3 choices?
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I've tried more PW's than I care to count, Jack3d is the best yet...too damn bad I build a tolerance for everything lol
Agreed ont he Jack3d for sure but give that Impac a shot...I had to change up the dosage a little but stuff works pretty good...


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Default 09-23-2011, 10:43 PM

Looks like you put a lot of work into it good job!


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Looks good brother! Thanks for taking the time to do this!


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On your list just cryoshock that I can remember. I've never liked NO products, most of em just make me sweat my boys off (I'm a winter baby, my body temp is always high). Once I'm too hot I'm all done, it's almost like being hungover.

The only stim that works for me at a reasonable dosage is 1,3 dimeth...and even that at most I can use it every other day, 2 days in a row = tolerance reached and it does nothing for me. I mean the caffeine pills in mstak or just a cup of joe will keep me awake, but will do nothing to boost my energy level.

I kinda gave up on PW stuff, I'll take Jack3d on days I'm not feeling 100%, otherwise I haven't found one I've ever bought more than once.


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On your list just cryoshock that I can remember. I've never liked NO products, most of em just make me sweat my boys off (I'm a winter baby, my body temp is always high). Once I'm too hot I'm all done, it's almost like being hungover.

The only stim that works for me at a reasonable dosage is 1,3 dimeth...and even that at most I can use it every other day, 2 days in a row = tolerance reached and it does nothing for me. I mean the caffeine pills in mstak or just a cup of joe will keep me awake, but will do nothing to boost my energy level.

I kinda gave up on PW stuff, I'll take Jack3d on days I'm not feeling 100%, otherwise I haven't found one I've ever bought more than once.
I would say give a yohimbe and shizandrol-A/Huperzine-A blend a shot. Not very "stimmy" but focus based agents may do you well.
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Focus XT + Impac = my new fav PW stack. Good positive energy and focus, no jitters or crash.

Hemo Rage concentrate was good for a pure energy boost.


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JGarcia28, Have you tried AAEFX's K-Otic in your research?


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JGarcia28, Have you tried AAEFX's K-Otic in your research?
To be honest, nope. Nothing against your company, but Im not a big fan of the profile so I haven't really wanted to try it..


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Default pw for women - 03-06-2012, 08:08 PM

This is my first try of a pw boost and I tried cellucor C4 extreme. It seems to work for me. I get bored after 20 min on treadmill and 10 min or so on weights. Ist time taking this I was 30 min on tredmill another 30 on weights and another 20 on the bike and I was still wanting to hit it hard. Any one have any ideas esp. for us ladies. I am 5ft 3 140lbs and a size 4. I wanna firm up and get more definition.
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This is my first try of a pw boost and I tried cellucor C4 extreme. It seems to work for me. I get bored after 20 min on treadmill and 10 min or so on weights. Ist time taking this I was 30 min on tredmill another 30 on weights and another 20 on the bike and I was still wanting to hit it hard. Any one have any ideas esp. for us ladies. I am 5ft 3 140lbs and a size 4. I wanna firm up and get more definition.
Welcome aboard! There's really nothing different a woman should do than a man. If you want to "firm up", then lift, eat right, some cardio, and rest.

And women can lift big without getting big. It's a fact. You won't look like a man if you lift big unless you use drugs and too much of them. Best to achieve it naturally imho.

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Default 03-06-2012, 11:15 PM

Yeah I don't see it being a supplement problem. C4 isn't half bad and a full serving should have a girl going hard.
Maybe your routine isn't keeping you interested? I suggest only doing 5 minutes of cardio to warm up and get the heart going, then so some full body lifting, and finish with a long cardio session. Maybe you should start a workout log so we can go more in depth


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I just wasn't interested before the c4....start with cardio 20 min now i am up to 30min with a higher intensity and weights more reps. I need to sit down and fig should I do cardio before weights or after and maybe one day do upper body weights one day lower the next. My goals are to firm up and gain a lil muscle. I am happy with what the scale says : )
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Default 03-07-2012, 02:53 PM

It is usually always better to do your fat burning cardio after you train with weights. This way you have worked through your glycogen reserves after you have trained with weights and then you cardio sessions are pretty much fat burning because your body starts to use fat cells as energy to perform aerobic activity. Plus if you are looking to have a good weight session cardio before could very well weaken you a little bit.

Now with that said You still may want to warm up with cardio for about 10 minutes just to get a light sweat going that way you are properly warmed up.

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It is usually always better to do your fat burning cardio after you train with weights. This way you have worked through your glycogen reserves after you have trained with weights and then you cardio sessions are pretty much fat burning because your body starts to use fat cells as energy to perform aerobic activity. Plus if you are looking to have a good weight session cardio before could very well weaken you a little bit.

Now with that said You still may want to warm up with cardio for about 10 minutes just to get a light sweat going that way you are properly warmed up.

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Love the non-stim pre-workout suggestions. Do you find that it helps to add creatine to Body Octane or Hemovol?
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Default 03-26-2012, 07:27 PM

For the price, I really like Scivation Novem, but I am looking forward to trying Craze.
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